<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Thanks Duy. <br>That means if i want to plot the magnetic moments of those with a -ve sign i can take them as positive values and plot. Am i right? <br><br>Regards<br>Padmaja Patnaik<br>
Research Scholar<br>
Dept of Physics<br>
IIT Bombay<br>
Mumbai, India<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 23/8/10, pw_forum-request@pwscf.org <i>&lt;pw_forum-request@pwscf.org&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br><div class="plainMail">-----------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:16:21 -0400<br>From: Duy Le &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ttduyle@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=ttduyle@gmail.com">ttduyle@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] Local magnetic moment<br>To: PWSCF Forum &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=pw_forum@pwscf.org">pw_forum@pwscf.org</a>&gt;<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTi=o=SHb_dv1zYZJ=aja6VDpt=Rchcw6eom0=<a ymailto="mailto:Uzk@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=Uzk@mail.gmail.com">Uzk@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>If an electron has negative Sz, its magnetic moment would be negative. Sz
 of<br>majority spin electrons in your system is negative.<br>Just flip the molecule (system) 180o (change direction of z coordinate) you<br>will get positive magnetic moments (but you don't have to).<br>--------------------------------------------------<br>Duy Le<br>PhD Student<br>Department of Physics<br>University of Central Florida.<br><br>"Men don't need hand to do things"<br><br><br>On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Padmaja Patnaik &lt;<br><a ymailto="mailto:padmaja_patnaik@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=padmaja_patnaik@yahoo.co.uk">padmaja_patnaik@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Dear all<br>&gt; I have a doubt in the value obtained for local magnetic moment of the<br>&gt; atoms. The pdos.out file, towards its end shows the value of polarization on<br>&gt; each atom of the sample which gives us the value of local magnetic moment of<br>&gt; each atom. Many of these values are found to be negative in my calculations.<br>&gt; What does it
 mean? How can a magnetic moment value be negative?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards<br>&gt; Padmaja Patnaik<br>&gt; Research Scholar<br>&gt; Dept of Physics<br>&gt; IIT Bombay<br>&gt; Mumbai, India<br>&gt;<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Pw_forum mailing list<br>&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Pw_forum@pwscf.org">Pw_forum@pwscf.org</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/e4b2498d/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/e4b2498d/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:10:02
 -0400<br>From: Guda Karthik &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:karthik.guda@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=karthik.guda@gmail.com">karthik.guda@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Pw_forum] error while running in diff versions with the same<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; input&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; file<br>To: PWSCF Forum &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=pw_forum@pwscf.org">pw_forum@pwscf.org</a>&gt;<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTinD85qRefKu4WBJNmZxSN+pNGk=6B7m8uzrz-=<a ymailto="mailto:1@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=1@mail.gmail.com">1@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi,<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; I am trying to run the following input file in *version 4.1.2 *as well<br>as *version 4.2.1*. While running version 4.1.2, I get the error *reading<br>namelist cell #error* but in 4.2.1 I get no error. Please help. Are there<br>any changes in the input format?<br><br>Input
 file:<br><br>&amp;CONTROL<br>&nbsp; calculation = "vc-relax",<br>&nbsp; dt&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = 30.D0,<br>&nbsp; tstress&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= TRUE,<br>&nbsp; forc_conv_thr = 2.0D-4,<br>&nbsp; pseudo_dir&nbsp; =<br>"/scratch/scratch95/k/kgudavis/PATH/quantumespresso/espresso-4.2.1/pseudo",<br>&nbsp; outdir&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =<br>"/scratch/scratch95/k/kgudavis/PATH/quantumespresso/B2/tmp19",<br>/<br>&amp;SYSTEM<br>&nbsp; ibrav&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 0,<br>&nbsp; nat&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 4,<br>&nbsp; ntyp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = 2,<br>&nbsp; ecutwfc&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 80.D0,<br>&nbsp; occupations = "smearing",<br>&nbsp; smearing&nbsp; &nbsp; = "methfessel-paxton",<br>&nbsp; degauss&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 0.05D0,<br>&nbsp; ecutrho&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 800.D0,<br>&nbsp; nbnd = 30,<br>/<br>&amp;ELECTRONS<br>&nbsp; conv_thr&nbsp; &nbsp; = 1.D-10,<br>&nbsp; mixing_beta =
 0.3D0,<br>/<br>&amp;IONS<br>&nbsp; bfgs_ndim = 3,<br>/<br>&amp;CELL<br>&nbsp; cell_dofree = xyz,<br>/<br>ATOMIC_SPECIES<br>Ti&nbsp; 47.9D0&nbsp; Ti.pbe-sp-van_ak.UPF<br>Ni&nbsp; 58.7D0&nbsp; Ni.pbe-nd-rrkjus.UPF<br>CELL_PARAMETERS<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5.688090737 0.000000000 0.000000000<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.000000000 8.044175065 0.000000000<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.000000000 0.000000000 8.044175065<br>ATOMIC_POSITIONS { crystal }<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ti&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0.0000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.0000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.0000000000<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ni&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.0000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ti&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0.0000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ni&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.5000000000&nbsp;
 &nbsp; 0.0000000000<br>K_POINTS automatic<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;14 10 10 0 0 0<br><br><br><br>&gt;<br>regards,<br><br>-- <br>Karthik Guda<br>Graduate Student<br>Materials Engineering<br>Purdue University<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/25e14e6f/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/25e14e6f/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:46:48 -0500<br>From: Han Hsu &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:hsuhan@umn.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=hsuhan@umn.edu">hsuhan@umn.edu</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] error while running in diff versions with the<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; same input file<br>To: PWSCF Forum &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:pw_forum@pwscf.org"
 href="/mc/compose?to=pw_forum@pwscf.org">pw_forum@pwscf.org</a>&gt;<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTinMtKGoq=Qn9Sb0sf8aWbjAgAWEnYh=<a ymailto="mailto:rE9A1xck@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=rE9A1xck@mail.gmail.com">rE9A1xck@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>you might want to try<br><br>cell_dofree= 'xyz'<br><br>instead of<br><br>cell_dofree= xyz<br><br>Han<br><br>On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Guda Karthik &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:karthik.guda@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=karthik.guda@gmail.com">karthik.guda@gmail.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br><br>&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am trying to run the following input file in *version 4.1.2 *as well<br>&gt; as *version 4.2.1*. While running version 4.1.2, I get the error *reading<br>&gt; namelist cell #error* but in 4.2.1 I get no error. Please help. Are there<br>&gt; any changes in the input format?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Input
 file:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &amp;CELL<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;cell_dofree = xyz,<br>&gt; /<br>&gt;<br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Karthik Guda<br>&gt; Graduate Student<br>&gt; Materials Engineering<br>&gt; Purdue University<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br>-- <br>*************************************************************************<br>Han Hsu, Ph.D.<br>Postdoctoral Associate<br>Department of Chemical Engineering &amp; Materials Science<br>University of Minnesota<br><a href="http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan" target="_blank">http://www.cems.umn.edu/~hsuhan</a> &lt;<a href="http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan" target="_blank">http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan</a>&gt;<br>*************************************************************************<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/7e07d8a7/attachment-0001.htm"
 target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100822/7e07d8a7/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:22:37 -0400<br>From: Guda Karthik &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:karthik.guda@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=karthik.guda@gmail.com">karthik.guda@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] ambiguous results with vc-relax<br>To: PWSCF Forum &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=pw_forum@pwscf.org">pw_forum@pwscf.org</a>&gt;, Stefano de Gironcoli<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:degironc@sissa.it" href="/mc/compose?to=degironc@sissa.it">degironc@sissa.it</a>&gt;<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTi=7xkG4=<a ymailto="mailto:FH5C8yL0iAJ0h4rUBz-p_Op1Bg2Lfv8@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=FH5C8yL0iAJ0h4rUBz-p_Op1Bg2Lfv8@mail.gmail.com">FH5C8yL0iAJ0h4rUBz-p_Op1Bg2Lfv8@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi,<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; The total energy doesn't converge till 80 Ryd of ecutwfc. I am using Ni<br>and Ti USPPs (Ti.pbe-sp-van_ak.UPF, Ni.pbe-nd-rrkjus.UPF). My calculations<br>become very slow while using such a large kinetic energy cutoff. am I doing<br>something wrong here?<br><br>regards,<br>Karthik<br><br>On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Stefano de Gironcoli &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:degironc@sissa.it" href="/mc/compose?to=degironc@sissa.it">degironc@sissa.it</a>&gt;wrote:<br><br>&gt; please note that the two outputs that you submitted ARE NOT examples of<br>&gt; vc-relaxation but of structural relaxation of the internal coordinates<br>&gt; only. Your question is anyway legittimate...<br>&gt; Are you sure to have converged the total energy of your system with<br>&gt; respect to cutoff to a sufficient level ?<br>&gt; when comparing&nbsp; different volumes one is using different basis sets in<br>&gt; the two
 cases. If convergence w.r.t. cutoff is not sufficient this&nbsp; can<br>&gt; lead to sudden decreases of the energy when increasing the volume.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; stefano<br>&gt; SISSA and DEMOCRITOS<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Guda Karthik wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Here are the input and output files.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b19_Acklatpos_new.* - original structure<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b19_pwscf.* - scf calculation with a structure obtained after<br>&gt; vc-relax<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Please have a look if they are of help.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; regards,<br>&gt; &gt; Karthik<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Paolo Giannozzi &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:giannozz@democritos.it" href="/mc/compose?to=giannozz@democritos.it">giannozz@democritos.it</a><br>&gt; &gt;wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; On Aug
 4, 2010, at 4:41 , Guda Karthik wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I am trying to relax an orthorhombic structure using vc-relax<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; (celldofree - xyz). I start with a structure which is at a Pressure<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; of -20.5 Kbar and at the end of the vc-relax I get a structure<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; which is at a pressure of -0.21 Kbar. Surprisingly, the structure<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; at pressure closer to zero is higher in energy than the original<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; structure by 8 * 10^-4 eV/formula unit. All the symmetry elements<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; have been conserved during relaxation and the initial and final<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; structures are the same. I am not able to make sense of this<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; result. I observe this inconsistency in my B2 structure as well.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Please help regarding this.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; hard to help without input and
 output<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; P.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Paolo Giannozzi, Dept of Physics, University of Udine<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; via delle Scienze 208, 33100 Udine, Italy<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Phone +39-0432-558216, fax +39-0432-558222<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Pw_forum mailing list<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Pw_forum@pwscf.org">Pw_forum@pwscf.org</a><br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum</a><br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt; Pw_forum mailing list<br>&gt;
 &gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Pw_forum@pwscf.org">Pw_forum@pwscf.org</a><br>&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Pw_forum mailing list<br>&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Pw_forum@pwscf.org">Pw_forum@pwscf.org</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum" target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum</a><br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Karthik Guda<br>Graduate Student<br>Materials Engineering<br>Purdue University<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100823/e0ed091c/attachment-0001.htm"
 target="_blank">http://www.democritos.it/pipermail/pw_forum/attachments/20100823/e0ed091c/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:30:01 -0400<br>From: Guda Karthik &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:karthik.guda@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=karthik.guda@gmail.com">karthik.guda@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] error while running in diff versions with the<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; same input file<br>To: PWSCF Forum &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:pw_forum@pwscf.org" href="/mc/compose?to=pw_forum@pwscf.org">pw_forum@pwscf.org</a>&gt;<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTinvnA2cpPGsohikBk_0xBi_-USUw07+<a ymailto="mailto:hJ26vLFN@mail.gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=hJ26vLFN@mail.gmail.com">hJ26vLFN@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Thank you very much. Its working now.<br><br>On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Han Hsu &lt;<a
 ymailto="mailto:hsuhan@umn.edu" href="/mc/compose?to=hsuhan@umn.edu">hsuhan@umn.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; you might want to try<br>&gt;<br>&gt; cell_dofree= 'xyz'<br>&gt;<br>&gt; instead of<br>&gt;<br>&gt; cell_dofree= xyz<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Han<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Guda Karthik &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:karthik.guda@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=karthik.guda@gmail.com">karthik.guda@gmail.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am trying to run the following input file in *version 4.1.2 *as<br>&gt;&gt; well as *version 4.2.1*. While running version 4.1.2, I get the error *reading<br>&gt;&gt; namelist cell #error* but in 4.2.1 I get no error. Please help. Are there<br>&gt;&gt; any changes in the input format?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Input file:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &amp;CELL<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;cell_dofree = xyz,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
 /<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; regards,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; Karthik Guda<br>&gt;&gt; Graduate Student<br>&gt;&gt; Materials Engineering<br>&gt;&gt; Purdue University<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; *************************************************************************<br>&gt; Han Hsu, Ph.D.<br>&gt; Postdoctoral Associate<br>&gt; Department of Chemical Engineering &amp; Materials Science<br>&gt; University of Minnesota<br>&gt; <a href="http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan" target="_blank">http://www.cems.umn.edu/~hsuhan</a> &lt;<a href="http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan" target="_blank">http://www.cems.umn.edu/%7Ehsuhan</a>&gt;<br>&gt; *************************************************************************<br>&gt;<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Pw_forum mailing list<br>&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Pw_forum@pwscf.org"
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